2014 m. vasario 10 d., pirmadienis

Can only the blood be used for atonement?



Introduction into ‘can only the blood be used for atonement?’

                 Abraham, Noah, Jacob didn’t pray to Jesus or Holy Spirit, but G-d accounted them as righteous. (why new testament says no other ways to be saved but only through Jesus?) David wasn’t perfect, he sinned but he was called as righteous. He repented.  G-d taught jews not to sacrifice their kids, would G-d sacrifice His own kid, when the righteous way of life will still be required after Jesus death? Truth is, sacrifice is never enough to be forgiven for your sins (sacrifice of a wicked person is abomination unto G-d). Way to be forgiven is not through sacrifice but by repentance(changing). Faith without repentance does nothing. Gen 4:7 If thou doest well, shalt thou not be accepted? and if thou doest not well, sin lieth at the door: and unto thee shall be his desire, and thou shalt rule over him. (we must rule over sin(we have power over sin). If it’s true that Jesus died for our sins, couse all fell short of G-d’s glory and were sinful ,then why did He wait for thousands of years? We should have known from the beginning that man is sinful. Instead of destroying people with flood, G-d should have brought Jesus then. Biblical Christians now believe that all jews and non jews who don’t accept Jesus are going to eternal barbeque in hell. Even if they were moral good people?  Only couse they didn’t believe Jesus they’ll burn? Only because no one can be saved in anyway, but through Jesus? Honestly, the 1st challenge for my faith was when I saw muslim doctors in Syria sacrificing their lives for their patients, while trying to help them in a war. They could run away to a safe place, but they wouldn’t. They were the main target and most of them died and still die. They chose not to be afraid to die, because they said they believe it’s good for them to die with such death in G-d’s sight. Jesus said in John 15:13 Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends. (I thought to myself, and they will still go to eternal barbeque?) I have many many thoughts and observations right now, but I won’t do that. I just wanted to post this challenge for real Christians and at the same time possibility to correct me if you really care and think I’m wrong: atonement only with blood sacrifice? Or no? I’ll post these Scriptures below and you can PM me, if you have something to say. Thank you.

Can only the blood be used for atonement?

1)Both David and his son Solomon from his father’s teachings clearly knew that iniquity is purged by mercy and by truth and not by blood sacrifice.
Psalm 40:6 Sacrifice and offering thou didst not desire; mine ears hast thou opened: burnt offering and sin offering hast thou not required. (and Christians twisted it into Heb 10:5  Wherefore when he cometh into the world, he saith, Sacrifice and offering thou wouldest not, but a body hast thou prepared me)
Prov (patarles)21:3 To do justice and judgment is more acceptable to the Lordthan sacrifice.
Prov 16:6 By mercy and truth iniquity is purged: and by the fear of theLord men depart from evil.
2)Also watch these: 1 Sam 15:22 And Samuel said, Hath the Lord as great delight in burnt offerings and sacrifices, as in obeying the voice of the Lord? Behold, to obey is better than sacrifice, and to hearken than the fat of rams.
2 Samuel 12:13 And David said unto Nathan, I have sinned against the Lord. And Nathan said unto David, The Lord also hath put away thy sin; thou shalt not die. (David simply confessed his sin and G-d forgave him without blood sacrifice)
Eccl.(ekleziast) 5:1 Guard thy foot when thou goest to the house of God, and be ready to hearken: it is better than when fools give sacrifices; for they know not that they do evil.
Iza 1:11-12 To what purpose is the multitude of your sacrifices unto me? saith the LORD: I am full of the burnt offerings of rams, and the fat of fed beasts; and I delight not in the blood of bullocks, or of lambs, or of he goats. When ye come to appear before me, who hath required this at your hand, to tread my courts? Isa 1:17,18 Learn to do well; seek judgment, relieve the oppressed, judge the fatherless, plead for the widow. Come now, and let us reason together, saith the LORD: though your sins be as scarlet, they shall be as white as snow; though they be red like crimson, they shall be as wool.
3) Isa 6:5 Then said I, Woe is me! for I am undone; because I am a man of unclean lips, and I dwell in the midst of a people of unclean lips: for mine eyes have seen the King, the Lord of hosts. Then flew one of the seraphims unto me, having a live coal in his hand, which he had taken with the tongs from off the altar: And he laid it upon my mouth, and said, Lo, this hath touched thy lips; and thine iniquity is taken away, and thy sin purged. (Isaiah is cleansed from his sin by seraphim, when he simply confesses his guilt)
4) in Isaiah 38 Ezekiah repents in prayer and G-d forgives him.
Jer 4:14 O Jerusalem, wash thine heart from wickedness, that thou mayest be saved. How long shall thy vain thoughts lodge within thee?
5) Hos (ozej) 3:4  For the children of Israel shall abide many days without a king, and without a prince, and without a sacrifice, and without an image, and without an ephod, and without teraphim (it was already predicted)
 Hos 6:6 For I desired mercy, and not sacrifice; and the knowledge of God more than burnt offerings.
Hos 14:2 Take with you words, and turn to the Lord: say unto him, Take away all iniquity, and receive us graciously: so will we render the calves of our lips.
6) Jonah 3:5-10 (very bad pagan nation of Nineveh repented with fasting and G-d forgave them.)
Jonah 4:11 And should not I spare Nineveh, that great city, wherein are more than sixscore thousand persons that cannot discern between their right hand and their left hand; and also much cattle? (G-d showed mercy to Nineveh, even though they were pagans, but they repented from their works)
Isa27:9 By this therefore shall the iniquity of Jacob be purged; and this is all the fruit to take away his sin; when he maketh all the stones of the altar as chalkstones that are beaten in sunder, the groves and images shall not stand up.

Show me one place in the bible where does it say that human sacrifice is acceptable for our sins. We’re not born into original sin. Theres a special place for a sacrifice to be made. In the third temple sacrifices had to be made. So why did Jesus die then? Ezek 40-48 talks about sin and sacrifices for sin. Zach 14 blood sacrifices will be done in the end too. 










Is YHWH alone G-d? Can Jesus be G-d?

                                              Is there any G-d beside YHWH can anybody be equal to YHWH?

Read these Scriptures and ask yourself again:

Hosea13:4 Yet I am the Lord thy God from the land of Egypt, and thou shalt know no god but me: for there is no saviour beside me.

Isaiah 42:8 I am the LORD: that is my name: and my glory will I not give to another, neither my praise to graven images.

Deuteronomy 32:12;17 So the LORD alone did lead him, and there was no strange god with him.

Exodus 20:2  I am the Lord thy God, which have brought thee out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage. Thou shalt have no other gods before me.

Deut. 6:4 Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God is one Lord: And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy might.

Isaiah43:10 Ye are my witnesses, saith the Lord, and my servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I am he: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me.
Isaiah 43:11 I, even I, am the Lord; and beside me there is no saviour.

2 Sam 7:22 Wherefore thou art great, O Lord God: for there is none like thee, neither is there any God beside thee, according to all that we have heard with our ears.

Deut 32:17 They sacrificed unto devils, not to God; to gods whom they knew not, to new gods that came newly up, whom your fathers feared not.
Deut 32:39 See now that I, even I, am he, and there is no god with me: I kill, and I make alive; I wound, and I heal: neither is there any that can deliver out of my hand.

Isaiah 44:6-8 Thus saith the Lord the King of Israel, and his redeemer theLord of hosts; I am the first, and I am the last; and beside me there is no God. And who, as I, shall call, and shall declare it, and set it in order for me, since I appointed the ancient people? and the things that are coming, and shall come, let them shew unto them. Fear ye not, neither be afraid: have not I told thee from that time, and have declared it? ye are even my witnesses. Is there a God beside me? yea, there is no God; I know not any.

1 Chron 17:20  O Lord, there is none like thee, neither is there any God beside thee, according to all that we have heard with our ears.

Psalm 81:9  There shall no strange god be in thee; neither shalt thou worship any strange god.

Isa 46:9 Remember the former things of old: for I am God, and there is none else; I am God, and there is none like me

Isa 48:11 For mine own sake, even for mine own sake, will I do it: for how should my name be polluted? and I will not give my glory unto another.

Ps 16:4  Their sorrows shall be multiplied that hasten after another god: their drink offerings of blood will I not offer, nor take up their names into my lips.

Jer 10:6 Forasmuch as there is none like unto thee, O Lord; thou art great, and thy name is great in might.

Joel 2:27 And ye shall know that I am in the midst of Israel, and that I am the Lord your God, and none else: and my people shall never be ashamed.

Mal 3:6 For I am the Lord, I change not; therefore ye sons of Jacob are not consumed.

Ps 113:5 Who is like unto the Lord our God, who dwelleth on high

Jer 2:11 Hath a nation changed their gods, which are yet no gods? but my people have changed their glory for that which doth not profit.


Psalm 89:6 For who in the skies above can compare with the LORD? Who is like the LORD among the heavenly beings?

Why did i leave born again Christianity?


Why did I leave born again Christianity?

              I’m 23 yrs. old guy from Lithuania, who left christianity 1 month ago. For 3 years ive been a serious christian, walking as hard as I could on the christian path. All of my dreams and goals in this life were related to fulfilling G-d’s plan in my life. I was really serious about that. I spent all of my time (free and not free) for christianity. I was strongly focused. I was praying in tongues so much in order to build my spirit as strong as possible, reading the bible so much too. I lost all of my friends, I actually disowned them myself and everybody what was on my way. I wasn’t too sad because of that though, because I saw a bright future. I knew I’ll achieve it, couse I was even ready to die for these dreams and for G-d. I saw many kinds of miracles, it was natural for me and I really liked it. If  1 month ago, somebody would tell me that I would leave my faith, I would laugh strongly. I was so strong in my faith, I was sure I knew everything about this earth, about the spiritual things. Until one day, I saw this documentary on Syria war. I saw there muslim doctors with fear in their eyes sacrificing their lives, while trying to heal people and help people fight Assad’s regime and saying that theyre not afraid to die, because it’s good for them to die doing a good thing in the sight of G-d.  Everybody of them die. I remembered Jesus words: ‘no one has greater love than this, than he, who lays down his life for his friends. ‘So I thought to myself, here are these people having the highest quality of love described by Jesus and according to my Christian faith, they’re all going to eternal hell, simply couse they’re worshiping the wrong G-d.  I realized I need to find out the truth about hell and I must go to the jewish roots first. I saw that jews never had this concept. But, what’s more important, I noticed a video called ‘how Christian missionaries twist the scriptures’ by rabbi Michael Schoback. I felt I must watch it. After watching It I was a bit shocked, because I was always told that jews are blind, but now I see this guy talking very logically. After that I’ve watched all of the jewish vs. Christian debates. After watching one of the debates with rabbi Tovia Singer tears came out of my eyes and out of my heart. I was convicted. I stopped praying to Jesus. I started rereading all of the Tanakh, restudying main theological questions. I needed to be 100 percent sure about everything. And, yes, I’m more than sure this day. I also watched all of the material on jews for Judaism channel, I also watched lots of stuff from jews for jesus side. To tell you the truth, this day my life has no purpose, and it’s quite dark, but I still have a small hope that G-d will give me a direction to go. Because I see my life only with Him. However, this day it feels like G-d is far away from me, and I don’t know how to find Him and this feeling more than sucks.  I pray that G-d would either kill me, or that He would give me a new clear purpose. G-d bless you, guys.